Can a Born Again Christian Become Unborn Again

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One time a person receives Jesus and is Born Once more.
The born once more part of man is that the spirit of man is recreated. We are a new creature(cosmos).
Can they get Unborn Again?

How would that work?

Past what process would the "recreation procedure" be nullified or reversed?

What is your scriptural opinion?
2 Cor. five:17 "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new cosmos; the old has gone, the new has come!"
You tin can be borne anew, only that doesn't mean you are saved. To be a "new creation" you still need to be "in Christ". I believe Paul the Apostle mentioned this (and I apologize for paraphrasing instead of quoting) when he talked about his former sinful nature continually coming dorsum to haunt him.

Truthfully, yous are merely "saved" when you die and are ushered into Heaven. When nosotros are "saved", are we saved from comitting sin on earth? No. Are we saved from dying a mortal death? No. Salvation has to do with being saved from an eternal separation from the Lord.

And so, if you are "born again", that is great, but allow's not forget that our salvation is not completed until the Day of Judgement.
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In your thinking then.
What if whatever is the reason and/or advantage to a person existence born again?
I'm not even certain that our concept of "born again" is a biblical one, considering it is used by many different denominations to mean many different things.
What passages of scripture tell united states of america about being "born once more"? The didactics comes from John 3. Jesus tells us that we cannot run into the kingdom of God unless nosotros are born again. And what is "born once more"? Thankfully, Nicodemus was just as clueless as we are, and then Jesus responded:

"no i can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spiritgives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You lot must be born again.'"

I think this is fairly patently. Being "born over again" simply ways beingness baptized and believing (which results in y'all beingness built-in of the Spirit).

Therefore, if you believe that you tin be "Unborn again", then you believe that a person tin can lose their salvation. If you believe that a person cannot be "unborn again", so you believe that a person cannot lose their salvation.
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you can autumn abroad from the faith and die in your sin, or you can leave the fellowship of Christ and follow your own greedy heart fifty-fifty to the point where your still casting out demons and prophesying in the name of Jesus, yet your no longer abiding in Christ, many scriptures relate that salvation is from hell, the place we were destined to go to, only nosotros are told by Jesus if nosotros believe and by faith overcome the world He volition receive us
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Non very easily , but it is possible. At that place are scripture passages which support it...Basically the way that someone walks away from God is the same way that they walked towards him in reverse. Meaning they choose unbelief rather than faith.

The type or foreshadow of this is found in the Children of Israel in the wilderness.

I know that this passage in Romans is speaking of the corporate , just I think the individual application is besides valid.

As for the Theology of losing your salvation. The brusk version is we become a down payment , an hostage , the scripture calls it.The Holy Spirit which seals our salvation. But that salvation is non fabricated complete until we dice and are with him in eternity.
When we become saved or built-in again the life of God comes inside of us and begins to work in united states of america. If the life of God is withdrawn , we dice. Now as I said at the outset , God is non fickle and it is not an piece of cake thing to lose your salvation. But nothing is final until the mean solar day of judgment.
There are many scriptures which talk about enduring until the cease. Some say that we will yet exist saved but lose some of our rewards in heaven. I think that is true. Many disobedient Christians volition all the same be saved but lose rewards. But I think it is possible to walk away from the faith and become apostate to the signal where we lose our salvation. Information technology is probably rare considering God is so long suffering. But still information technology is possible.

I don't believe that our salvation is consummate until heaven. It is no less certain at present and we partake of some of the benefits now. But I practise non believe that someone says a salvation prayer and then lives for the devil the remainder of their life and goes to Heaven.
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If you get built-in again by human decision and then sure. Your salvation rests on humanity and is more shaky than a chocolate teapot.
However if beingness built-in again is a sovereign piece of work of God, then it depends on him. His work, his conservancy. What God has done cannot exist undone, perhaps not even past himself.

When God fabricated the covenant with Abraham in Genesis he put Abraham to sleep. A one party covenant purely depending on God, Abraham couldnt break what he didnt brand.

God made the Mosaic covenant with the Israelites, information technology didnt fifty-fifty terminal long enough for Moses to become down the mountain.

When God introduced the New covenant God the male parent made it with God the Son.

If God wants a cleaved covenant he involves human beings.
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Go down to your not-and then-friendly local satanic church or discover your local not-then-friendly coven of witches and they can evidence thee the ways of divorcing thyself from God!
Becoming a member of islam would likewise do it equally they will have you go through some rituals where you will be required to deny Jesus Christ...I heard the cathlik church makes you deny all religious experiences and commitments and swear commitment to the popey!

Not sure if the cathlic role is, but stories do go 'round 'bout that religious organization...

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance on God's part (He never takes them dorsum), but you can separate yourself from Him as an human action of your free will...and God would have to honor it cause He gave you lot the right to choose...if y'all want out, what's He gonna do??? FORCE y'all to alive for Him???

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If one holds to the doctrine of once saved always saved, then either no a person cant become unborn once again, or if they exercise, then they werent actually born again in the beginning place. I dislike the latter, as it completely discounts the salvation experience of a laic. I had what I considered an accurate salvation feel and walked the christian path for most v years before I finally became unable to authentically call myself a christian or laic in the christian God
I call back it can and does happen, and I tend to call up christians practice themselves and their behavior a disservice when they try to simplify the reasons why people walk away from the christian faith. I know myself, story is far from simple and life is far from simple

As for the unfriendly witch thing, I'thousand friendly every bit long as people respect my personal space
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The parable of the sower explains that in that location are those who are rocky ground, who receive the discussion with gladness, and even endure for a while, but eventually fall abroad, which is the typical story I hear.
"Don't tell me I wasn't a christian. I know I was saved and so I walked away later." Well, that'due south textbook rocky soil. Perseverence is a sign of truthful salvation. John tells united states that those who went out from amid the states, were never of united states. Had they been truly of usa, they would have remained, but they went out to make it obviously they never were of us (1 John 2).

John calls such people antichrists and give them the additional characteristics of "This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:22, which sounds eerily like your confession of one time being a believer, then walking away, and now "I finally became unable to authentically call myself a christian or laic in the christian God".

Do you recognize yourself?
Deplorable to disappoint you.
God wants or wills for u.s. to be saved,
born again...
but He allows u.s. to 'will' to exist or
'not will to be'...

Ephesians 5:17
"Wherefore, exist ye not unwise
(Greek word is ‘aphron" meaning, senseless every bit mad men, completely mad),
just understanding what the will of the Lord is."

What is the ‘will’ of God?

Many are confused.
Some call up that He wants to relieve all,
and none will miss sky.
Others think He has chosen to relieve some,
to doom others, and the choice has been His.

The Bible teaches that God has a will,
and He wills for all to be saved,
but allows mankind’due south own wills
to overrule His wishes.

There are two Greek words for ‘volition’ of God
in the New Attestation.

ane. Boulema ...
This is God’s immutable, predeterminate will.

For instance, God will defeat satan.
That is not up for discussion.
Jesus volition come again.
At that place is no changing that role of God’s will.
He has determined those things and more than to happen,
and they will.

Romans ix:19
"find fault?
For who hath resisted the will (boulema) of God..."

God has an ultimate volition, and it will be done.

2. Thelema ...
This refers to God’s desires.

He desires for united states non to sin, but nosotros do.
He desires to not accept any to perish, only some do.
God allows flesh to do a will.

"how ofttimes would (thelo = wish, desire)
I take gathered thy children together
as a hen fifty-fifty gathereth her chickens
under her wings,
and ye would (thelo = wish, desire) not."

Matthew half-dozen:ten
"Thy will (thelema) be washed on earth,
as information technology is in heaven."

God’southward desires are done in heaven.
Here on globe, that is the prayer
we should pray, yet,
it is obvious that the murders, crimes, abortions, etc.
are not God’s ‘wish’ (thelema).

God allows our free will to override His thelema will.
Yet, His boulema volition volition not change.

The boulema will is inalterable, immutable, unchangeable.

Ii Peter iii:nine
"non willing (bouloumai) that whatever should perish...

This shows that it is non God’s pre-determinate will
that whatever perish.
So, if any do perish, information technology is non because God acquired it
to be then, merely their ain wills brought them
to the identify of perishing.

This does not mean He has predetermined everyone to exist saved,
but information technology means He has not predetermined anyone to perish.

In other words,
God has allowed our ‘thelema’ to make the decision.

Permit’s take a closer expect at II Peter 3:nine:
"but is longsuffering
(Patient, long in waiting for united states of america to make the right pick)
to us-ward, not willing
(bouloumai, God’s predestined volition)
that any should perish
(appolumi, to loose away, to destroy ),
but that all should come to repentance
(metanoia, meaning a alter of human being’southward will)."

The grace of God is offered to all mankind.
It is the individual’due south own choice, their free will,
that either accepts the gift of salvation,
or rejects the same.
Jude talks of false prophets,
and in his description of them
he says they
are 'twice dead'...
to exist twice dead,
one must be alive in the middle...

so, they were in one case expressionless in sins...
then 'born' into Jesus,
and decided to get out, and then they
are then 'dead' a second fourth dimension...

that 'death' removed the 'built-in into' status
they in one case had
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Yes. It is called dying.
There are ii forces which are opposite of each other . Life and Death. To be born is to have new life. to die is for that life to cease to be.
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When we are walking saved , we do non live in fright of falling abroad. It is very difficult to actually fall away to the point of becoming apostate. Both because God has a long suffering with usa and because God will attempt to depict us back. It takes a willful and stubborn persistence to walk away form God completely. Just backsliding is non enough to lose your conservancy. It requires a willful backsliding and willful hardening to attain the point of totally walking abroad from God.
It is not something anyone needs to worry nearly stumbling into.
very true...
no outside forcefulness tin can take from united states our salvation...
the just sin that takes away our salvation
is rejection of Jesus..
and that should be extremely difficult to do...
sins of weakness, sins of emotional fervor,
sins of ignorance or stupidity practice not remove
our salvation...

merely... if we willfully refuse Jesus,
prefer to not have Him equally our Savior and Lord,
and choose to forsake Him,
they we did not 'lose' our conservancy,
we threw information technology abroad...
it was no oversight nor accident...
Can we get "unborn"?
I believe when we are born once again of God's Spirit, we are born again of incorruptible seed. Just as we will always exist children of our parents and nothing tin change that so it is with being born of God. Nosotros have been adopted into the family of God and have inherited all that Jesus Christ has equally his only begotten Son.

1 Peter 1:23 Being built-in once again, not of corruptible seed, simply of incorruptible, by the discussion of God that liveth and abideth forever.

ane John three:9 Whosoever is built-in of God doth not commit sin: for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Deba The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want (catamenia)

Unborn means never to have existed.
Death stops beingness, only doesn't erase that it did be.